SHE DID IT AGAIN!!!!

[maggies_lens]

Fugly, WTF is wrong with you???? One moment she's bitching about breeding pinto's (agreed with her tho, the foal featured wasn't a good example) and dissing these folks with a skewbald stallion (I prefer to see confo shots before I make any call on that one, althought I thought it strange she was going on about his neck being so thick, every stallion I have ever met has had a crest like that to a degree, esp the QH-bred ones), but then she features a TB mare who has been 'bailed out of a bad situation' and makes out it would be perfectly alright to breed her. Um.... ok, maybe she needs to take a step out into the rest of the horse world over there. From what I have seen/heard, the USA is in the shit, financially. Seriously. Horses of good breeding are winding up on the way to Mexico and Canada, INCLUDING MANY TB'S, because people can't afford them anymore, there are NO homes!!!!!!! I assume the race breeders are still churning out thousands of foals and ex-racers every single year? So I also assume there is no lack of TB's available out there and in DESPERATE need of a good home. Like pretty much every other breed. Although I do note the 'made up' breed Vanners seem to be doing well, so much for all the shit people are hanging on their breeders. Why is she advocating breeding from TB's ONLY, and dissing the SHIT out of anyone who breeds from anything else? Believe it or not, Fugly, not everyone wants a TB. In fact that would probably be the absolute LAST breed I would look at. I need a horse with BRAINS, one who can THINK not just PANIC AND RUN!!!!!! I need a horse who will stay sound if it happens to be taken out of an arena (ok ok I know that's not fair, but let's face it TB's are delicate little hot-house flowers and could kill themselves in a cotton-ball filled tank), one who's hooves aren't going to be flat as hell posing soundness issues. Also I don't know if she's noticed but most new riders and horse owners are older and don't actually WANT to go cross country jumping or high level dressage or deal with highly strung huge horses, most people seem to want  a PET, something they can enjoy, love, potter around on, pop the grand kids on to pony around the yard. Sorry but few TB's meet that criteria for a novice owner. All breeds of horses are ending up at rescues, markets and slaughter yards. TB's are not immune from this fate, in fact I think they probaby are the main ones considering how many of them are churned out. Why the hell would you think it's ok to breed more of them? She clearly looks at rescues, and her obvious bias is in favour of TB's, so surely she see's how many hundreds and thousands of them are in trouble? Why? Why? WHY, Fugly?????

There's nothing wrong with having a preferred breed, hell I think I make it pretty clear Arabians are mine, but to diss another breed and then advocate breeding more of your own even tho you KNOW there's so few homes for the ones that already desperatly need them?That is just fucked up.

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[phoenix-rose-up.livejournal.com]

sad.. that mare's from my neck of the woods... she's taken a very familiar route that i'm aware of for many unsuccessful racers.. who *coff* WERE broodmare prospects.

but, IMHO, she didnt do enough on the track to merrit being bred AGAIN.
in fact im pretty sure her 2006 gelding is still at the track i used to work at.. not 100% sure.. could ask Corey to look her up...

[hagazusa.livejournal.com]

Very precise description about why I would never choose to ride or own a TB. Some of the crossbreeds are okay: over here they breed TBs with Irish Draught to come up with hunters and jumpers who aren't completely psychotic. But even that would be too much horse for me and I prefer to stick to flat work.

The OTTB at our stable is the biggest black hole as far as never ending problems and vet bills are concerned. He's also the biggest horse in the stable, 17.2, and only a few very patient and competent people can ride him . . . in the weeks during the year in which he is actually sound for riding and not in rehab again.

Vanners aren't a breed, more of a type. They're supposed to be good bombproof horses for novices but the ones at our stable are dramah kings. They also don't get enough turn out because their owners are worried their coats will get too dirty. Gah.

Love Arabs, but they're a bit too hot for me, being a 44 year old novice. I'll be a Welsh pony slave for life . . .

[madeyemads.livejournal.com]

TBs aren't all bad. I don't own one (although Lexie is half) but I have worked with them. You get the odd nutcase but most of them are nice horses, they excel in many different sports- they're really good.
That mare, however, was NOT breeding quality in my book. They are dime a dozen and she had a hideous shark fin wither.

[maggies-lens.livejournal.com]

It just seems that every TB I have ever known has tried to kill their rider on a regular basis :-D
I agree, that mare is SO not worth breeding from; plain bay TB's are a dime a dozen, and like I said there are sooooo many horses there already in desperate need, why create more?

[maggies-lens.livejournal.com]

Well there you go. I know TB's can be used for far more than racing, but like I said, how many people out there are after eventers, really?

[maggies-lens.livejournal.com]

Agreed, some Arabians are way too hot. They are also extremely clever so if you don't give them something to occupy those nimble little minds, they'll find their own amusement :P
I think in the States now they are classified as a breed, aren't they (Vanners)? I know a lot of English people were falling over themselves laughing re how much Americans were willing to pay for their patchy cobs, but hey, seems like they are gaining popularity. I think the sourgrapes are coming from breeders who are cheesed off those big spenders didn't come to THEIR farm. I think pretty much any horse is going to go mental without enough exercise, poor things, drafty/cobby bred or not.

[evergrey.livejournal.com]

You... you kind of described Solomon a lot of the time there. He's part TB, part QH. :/

[phoenix-rose-up.livejournal.com]

they really are a dime a dozen even here.. hell i can get a retrained jumper from free through corey right now.. 14 and sound, was always owned by corey's fam until he was retired so i know he's going to be solid. they are SO good to their horses.. completely unafraid to retire them!

and he still has another horse sitting in a stall, being a pasture puff when he can who he's offered to me on occasions.. i might go put some hours on him and get him at least rideable besides track-trained.

sometimes she's hypocritical but i ignore that shit and go for the good stuff she says.. im always more interested in her confo critiques cuz im not good with those.

but yeah your right... and i wouldnt breed that mare anyways... raise a native's in there a couple times with Native Dancer, both of whom are known for their horrid ankles and legs in general.. *headdesk* BUT she does have Silver Deputy.. but the colt of his i worked with had ankle and knee issues as well *headdesk*

[maggies-lens.livejournal.com]

I think most TB's seem to have some sort of leg issues, which is why I am very wary of them, along with the somewhat psycho personality :-D They seem quite hell-bent on hurting themselves as often as possible, poor delicate little babies. They're sooooo pretty tho......
I do the same with Fugly, it just has started to really annoy hell out of me that she compares EVERYTHING with TB's, and if it isn't TB it's not worth it. I happen to really like loud or unusual coloured horses, blue eyes, and big hairy Vanners and drafts, of course I prefer them with good conformation, training and a good personality. I'm getting better at the confo stuff, esp with legs. I still have a bit of trouble with seeing bad hips, probably because I'm used to fat horses who's hips you can't actually see ;-)

[hagazusa.livejournal.com]

Well, I hope Solly's not as high maintenance as Finn, or OTTB, with major tendon injury issues and who goes psychotic if he can't have a flat gallop once a week. Imagine trying to rehab *him.*

[evergrey.livejournal.com]

*flashes back to almost getting knocked over into the mud while her horse runs away*
*flashes back to her horse rearing and bucking and screaming*
Er well no he doesn't have major tendon issues... knock on wood. :D
Usually he's a total kitten. Puppy. No wait both of those are actually rather violent.
Normally he's a sweet, stately old queen. Just sometimes he gets an Idea. He becomes obstinate. On extended stall rest he goes batshit. Sigh. But he is actually a very smart horse. And generally quite tolerant. It's just that when he is freaked out, BOY HOWDY. And he hurts himself just as much as his momma.

[hagazusa.livejournal.com]

Well, if he's *smart* he's not a typical TB, lol!

But yeah, box rest is never fun and it's a rare horse who can deal with it. TBs are actually calmer with it because working TBs don't get much turn out: they're kept in the stable to save their energy for high performance work/racing, etc. Considering Solly's unfortunate background, he's better than probably a lot of other rescue horses would be. You are very brave for taking him on. *I* wouldn't be brave enough to take on a rescue horse that might have suffered cruelty. Boo has been challenging enough and she came from a very loving home.

Anyway I hope he heals fast and you can take some more riding lessons soon. Solly can reward you for all your tlc and be your Noble Steed again. :)

[starsechos.livejournal.com]

I have to agree. That there is a place for just about everything. Not everyone can afford to spend 20k on horse they only ride on trails on the weekends. Not everyone needs a horse that is destined for a national show career. There is a niche for the mid grade quality trail/ranch/work horses with good minds and solid bodies. I am currently in the process of proving a young colt I have. He will be tested hard on difficult trails all summer, also, he is going to be proven in working cow horse/reining work. He may not get to national level, but his breeding, temperment, athleticism, and good nature have allowed him to remain in tact thus far until he proves his worth.

I know a lot of WONDERFUL horses that are bred around here for that niche. For those who want a soild sound mid grade/priced horse.

Fugly bothers me on SO many levels. I really do enjoy her candor at times, but the fact that she opposes jsut about everything breeding, but at the same time is training and trying to prove HER OWN stallion, to me is the epitomy of hypocratic elitism. I can do it, but if you do it your an "asshat".

[starsechos.livejournal.com]

In case anyone wants to rip him apart, here he is this past summer just coming three.





Not a great shot, but it shows his body a bit nicer.

[phoenix-rose-up.livejournal.com]

oh they do, oh they do.

and yeah i'm with you. i REALLY love vanners (and as far as im concerned, i was into them before they became stylish!! TAKE THAT AMERICANS! :P) and i too really love loud coloured horses. and yes drafties are just CUTE! and yes... all teh above re; confo,temperment etc etc.

i'm starting to see things now... then again trying to explain what horse physiology is to a non-horse person for my essay this week probably helped because i had to be SOOO super clear as to what exactly everything was (and it was a super way to boost my word count lol)

[evergrey.livejournal.com]

yarrr. :D

Well thank you. I am not sure "brave" is the word so much as "foolhardy" but hey, I'll take it.

I have decided that I need to get him a swayback pad. It seems that there aren't any actually affordable ones that are good though, heh. I'm thinking I'll get the cashel pad. Tack fitting properly is so important!

But I'll admit, I'm scared to get back on him again.

[maggies-lens.livejournal.com]

:-D I loved hairy patchy cobs for years too. Had this really old English horse book which had a feature on gypsy's in it, I would stare at the horses for aaaages, big, hairy, patchy, Roman-nosed beauties :-)

[maggies-lens.livejournal.com]

He's gorgeous, and quite frankly I would be willing to pay a hell of a lot more for him knowing he's been worked and been tested on the trail than I ever would for any TB. For one, it would prove he has a good mind, and for another it wll prove he has the ability to stay sound outside an arena. He's a handsome little lad too :-) Only thing that would put me off, which is something you don't need to worry about, is the white face; here in Australia we have some pretty serious issues with sunburn and skin cancers on light coloured horses.

[hagazusa.livejournal.com]

Maybe you can email mare_in_flames about it. She's the best.

Re swayback--maybe his topline needs to be built up like I'm doing with Boo. Ask your vet or someone at your barn about exercises. I'm currently long-lining Boo in a Pessoa (not everyone agrees with the Pessoa, though) and doing lot of hill work with her. Maybe just leading him up and down a hill every day for 20 minutes could help.

[evergrey.livejournal.com]

hmm, yes, they do climb the hills, but very very slowly... vet said he is swaybacked, and to get a swayback pad. I know he was ridden improperly, they yanked his head up high and he would hollow out his back... I'll ask about exercises, it could help, thanks!

[starsechos.livejournal.com]

I've heard that. I luckily have never had a problem with him being in the sun. He is turned out every day just like all the other horses. Luckily he dosesn't fade much in the sun. I have seen some that have gotton some bad burns. Often on their nose and around their eyes. I've heard of melanomas and ganulomas in greys as well.

He is a overo, OLWS test is pending. He also carries Sabino and possibly splash. I'm having him tested this coming spring. I do get tired of her bashing on the small time mid grade breeders.

I DO NOT condone the breeding of some of those she posts. Who are just atrocious and obviously the result of someone breeding whatever to whatever. But not all small breeders are like that. Its frustrating.

I also train for a local rescue. They come in, I put time on them, and then they find them good homes. But I also do this for myself. I was at the local tack store, and looking at some used saddles, a fellow customer there asked me what I did. So I glady talked about it. I said I often pick up horses through a few traders I know frequent auctions and pick up some nice horses that apparently have ben left on the wayside. Put time on them, and rehome them. She looked at me and in a disgusting tone, told me a was a horse trader, and just fodder for fugly. WTF is that about? Without even knowing me? Ridiculous. I think your post has inspired me! I may have to put up a post about this nonsense on my own blog. lol It boggles the mind.

[maggies-lens.livejournal.com]

You're kidding me? They had a go at you for retraining and re-homing??? Good lord. Just goes to prove some of the Fugly crowd go way over board. She was probably part of the only-TB's-matter crowd *rolls eyes* How can such a beautiful animal attract so many twats, that's what I want to know.
What's an OLWS test?

[starsechos.livejournal.com]

OWLS is Overo Lethal White Syndrome. It is carried in Frame Overo horses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_white_syndrome

Foals will be born completely white, and have a problem with their digestive tract not being fully formed. The foal may pass meconium, but the intestine is essentially pinched, and the foal can not pass fecal matter. They usually do not survive more than a few days.

It is important to know , Not all, all white horses are lethal white horses. They can be maximum expressed Overo. Also, not all overos are what they call, FRAME overo or carry that recessive gene. Also, the gene CAN be carried in horses not expressing the overo color pattern. Paint genetics for color patterns are insane! That Is why I am having my guy genetically tested to determine exactly WHAT he is in terms of color, pattern and the genetics that go along with it. I want to be certain what he is. lol

[starsechos.livejournal.com]

Yeah. She called actually, said, "Oh, so your one of THOSE people." When I asked what she was refering to, she called me a horse trader. So I said, well yes of sorts. I do sell the horses I put time on for a bit more than I bought them for. I GARUNTEE YOU I make next to nothing in terms of profit. Usually a couple hundred dollars, which I prompty head to the local co-op to spend on feed and supplies. lol I'm a stay at home mom, so its more of a hobby.


If I was working with holsteiners, tbs, or some exotic warmblood, I can say with utmost certainty that she would have not reacted in the same fashion. I rarely sell a horse for over $1000.00. Most go on to be local trail horses. A few of them have gone on to do some gaming, and a bit of showing. One of the standardbreds I did is doing GREAT iin combined training. I see a lot of them out there when we go riding. I'm always excited when I see a horse I trained out there enjoying time with their owners.

But yeah. I have some BIG issues with Fugly. She seems to give everyone a reason/excuse to act like a douche.