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in bad_riding a vid was put up of Linda Parelli (or however the hell you spell it) basically beating the living crap out of some poor horses' face with a lead rope to make it back up. Um. Natural horsemanship EPIC FAIL! I taught Desi to back in 5 mins using my hand on her chest and a loose rope flicking at her feet to get her to move them and make the connection. And that's when I was GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEN as grass with young horses and never trained one in my life. Gawd, even *I* knew back then that would work. She's meant to be a TRAINER, a world famous advocate for a kinder, gentler way. Pfft. You know, I read all the Natural Horsemanship books when I got Desi, they made sense in a lot of ways and I learnt a lot, but I didn't play 'games', I never read ANYthing about BEATING a horse, and I ended up using the advise from an old Australian horse trainer book (who's name escapes me at the moment! Aussies, help? Old guy, had a series of books, Tom something or other.....). Anyway, my responce to the entry, had some 3-minute fun with Google and then Photoshop *snigger*



t-minus 24 hours until I know about Lead Dispatcher. *quakes*

Date: 2010-03-04 05:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neko-loliighoul.livejournal.com
LOL, that pic is priceless.
haven't seen the bad_riding pic yet though...

Date: 2010-03-04 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaanka.livejournal.com
The Aussie author is Tom Roberts, he is brilliant.
I haven't seen the video will have to go have a look at it.

I have been having an issue with Tally invading my personal space of late, and have had to be really firm with him; but I have found that there is a thin line and if I push him to much he goes up to rear.

It's always fine tuning and finding the best parts of any training method and putting them together to get what works for you and your horse.

Love the picture by the way!

Date: 2010-03-04 10:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/blitzen_/
i think everyone has had a super knee jerk reaction to that video & taken what they THINK is happening (teaching the horse to back up) rather than really looking at what is going on in the video...

i do not see that at all. you can see that the horse is totally 'off task' (haha, to apply a teaching term) and she is doing what she can to get it on task. by the outfit the horse is wearing, i'd say it probably has a GREAT understanding of responding to pressure & may ride very well (or at least, its' isabell saddle & dressage blankie indicate that), but that perhaps it gets very worked up & goes to lala land when it goes out to comps or something.

she's shanking on it & waving her hands at it & slapping it loudly on the neck (at the end) to get it to tune in. she's trying to get it to disengage it's hindquarters so that it's feet are moving & it's shifting from reactive (left brain) to predictive (right brain). however, horse STILL doesn't give a shit, so she has to up the ante, so she's getting it to move a lot more.

at this stage tho, i think she's a bit conscious that ppl may be watching her & she wants to get some kind of result. there's quite a bit cut out & perhaps that's where she's "waiting" for the horse. i was taught that you may need to wait for the horse to get out of its head for even up to an hour, but that you should be willing to wait!

i know that all sounds a bit hippy, but honestly, i've had a horse that completely disregarded people & it was so unfun. parelli worked for me & it worked for my horse. another person on bad_riding suggests putting a bridle on the horse, and you could prob do that too & get a similar result. but i think shanking on a bit/bridle would be just as, if not more, painful as shanking on a rope halter.

it'd be interesting to see what the horse rides like because the rider could just get on it & get it flexing to the inside & get it tuned in that way - probably easier!

Date: 2010-03-04 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harnessphoto.livejournal.com
I LOLed so hard at this.

If it ever takes me more than a minute and a half to teach a horse to back up in hand, fucking shoot me.

Date: 2010-03-05 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bettydavis.livejournal.com
Send me the link. That picture is hilarious.

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